Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Prophets: It Takes One to Know One! 3rd Annual LDS Writer Blogfest

First, I apologize for the length of this post, but it is what it is!

I'm going to deviate a little bit from the regular LDS blogfest format and share a conversation my mom and I had when she visited earlier in the month. My mom is amazing: She taught me I could do anything and she does it, too, teaching batik, stained glass, Styrofoam sculpture, ceramics, and more to emotionally handicapped or chronically truant kids who have been removed from regular schools and placed in an “Exceptional Center.” She often shares stories about being cussed at, spit on, and threatened at work, but she never stops trying to show her kids that’s there’s a better way to live. She's a devout follower of Jesus Christ, and she's not Mormon.

Can you spot the Mormons? Hint: less than half the people pictured are! Aren't the un-Mormons good sports? My mom is on the far left.

When she visits church with us, she always has a lot of questions afterward. Whether we’re talking about the nature of angels or baptisms for the dead, our discussions seem to always circle back to the same point:
"Yes, but we have prophets today, and we’ve been taught that..."

This time we spent several hours (9 PM until 2AM. Ouch! It hurt the next day!) discussing if the Bible allows for prophets today and why Nathan and I believe in modern-day prophets.

So, is it consistent with the Bible to believe that prophets can speak today? In the Old Testament, Amos 3:7, it reads "Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets."
And from the New Testament, Revelations 11:3, John the Revelator teaches that before the Savior returns there will be two prophets in Jerusalem. So there have been prophets throughout the history of the world, before and after the Savior (Revelations was received decades after Christ’s mortal life ended.), and there will definitely be prophets before the Second Coming.

There were many opportunities for the writers of the New Testament to teach that prophets were no longer needed, but the opposite is taught in Ephesians Ch. 4, where various offices of the church are named, including prophets. They must work together "For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ."

According to these verses, a few conditions would make prophets unnecessary. We could all be perfect (the early church members referred to themselves as saints), everyone could have been ministered to that needed it, and the body of Christ (the Church) could be completely edified (spiritually lifted up.)

If these conditions were met, there would be a unity of faith, the members would work together as one body, a perfect man, acting up to the example set by Christ. Looking at the LDS church and at the Christian world, I don't think we've met those criteria. Thus, I think it's reasonable to assume that we need a prophet.

But what does a prophet do and how can a prophet be known for a prophet? For many, the word prophet brings to mind old men in robes with long gray beards, or for the more cynical, suicide pacts and people wearing Nikes waiting for the aliens. Human beings are capable of a large amount of deceit, and much of it is directed at ourselves.

I've studied a lot of ancient religions this year, and the range of human sacrifice and base sexuality found in many early religions is astounding. Over and over, I found myself wondering how people could believe that killing their children or stabbing sea urchin spines through their bodies, or any of hundreds of other rites could appease the gods.

People, I realized in horror, can believe anything. How can I know that I'm not just caught up in a religion because of some innate human need to believe in a higher power? What if the agnostics are right and there's no way of knowing? What if religion really is the opiate of the masses?

The answer is one that each person must find for themselves. I cannot give this knowledge to anyone, but I know that when I pray, someone hears me, someone who loves me and wants me to be happy. I know that when I read the Book of Mormon, the Bible or other scriptures, a sense of peace fills me and I am comforted. This is the power of the Holy Ghost, who testifies of truth. Prophecy is simply knowing things through the power of the Holy Ghost instead of from our own intellect or emotions. A prophet testifies of Jesus Christ and calls people to repentance. He teaches the people how they should live, representing the Lord despite human failings.

My mom asked, "But what about predicting future events, like how Noah warned of the flood?"

I had a few distinctions to point out. Not all prophets prophesied the future. Moses did not. He led the people and used the power of God to call down the plagues and part the Red Sea and provide food and water for his people. Not all prophets warned of impending doom. Nathan simply told King David a parable and called him to repentance.

A prophet does not need to demonstrate all of the possible prophetic behaviors to be a prophet. He can only do the things that God tells him to do, but all of these gifts have been demonstrated in the latter days, from Joseph Smith conversing with angels and Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ, to Brigham Young leading the church across the Rockies with as many miracles as Moses had. Some have seen the future, some have seen visions of the next life and the spirits of the faithful dead.

However, we are not required to blindly accept what a prophet says. In fact, In fact, the opposite is true. J. Reuben Clark said that to know when true doctrine is being taught, “we, ourselves, are ‘moved by the Holy Ghost...In a way, this completely shifts the responsibility from them to us to determine when they so speak.” The responsibility to seek knowledge from God is no one else's but our own.We gain knowledge by experience. We must act.

I'll tell you about a time Nathan and I followed the counsel of a prophet. Gordon B. Hinckley taught about the danger of debt, even at very low interest rates for needful things such as housing, back in 1999 when Nathan I were first married. For several years we lived in apartments, but when he became a manager up in Pittsburgh, we felt the time had come to purchase a home. Nathan’s boss at the time encouraged him to buy an expensive home (they’re all expensive, but he was suggesting a status symbol.)

We chose a smaller home instead, one that would be easier to afford if Nathan had a few bad months, since he worked commission. We were taught to have a supply of food on hand, so for a few years I had bought extra cans of fruit and spaghetti sauce, cartons of soy milk and pasta and put it down in the basement. It was nice to just send the kids down to get something when we needed it instead of having to run to the store for every little thing. I wasn’t planning on having to live off of it, not really.

Back in 2006, the mortgage industry started to collapse, and it hit the sub-prime market (where Nathan worked) first. His office had made a profit, but the company was not doing well under the new stringent laws. Nathan’s branch was closed and suddenly we were jobless.

A month later, Nathan had a job selling mortgages through a bank, but business was mainly generated through referrals, and it took months to develop relationships with realtors so that they would trust him to take care of their customers. He had a small base salary that would cover the mortgage payment and not much else, so every month we were going farther into debt. Nathan was looking at getting a second job, but I felt that I should try to get a job first, and I found a position as a line therapist for kids with autism, and things were a little better, but we weren’t quite in the black.

It was a terrible feeling to be in debt, like drowning every moment for a year. We had a few things going for us, though. We had bought a modest home. We had paid ahead on our car payment when Nathan had good months, so we didn’t have to make a car payment the whole year he was building his business. And we had shelves of food in our basement, which relieved some of our budget woes. It was a hard time, but it was such a good feeling to look at the food we had set aside and know we wouldn’t starve. (Not that our extended family would have let us starve, but it was still a comfort.) With some more tightening of the budget belt, we were spending less than we earned.

About the time that Nathan’s referrals started to come in, his dad asked him to move down to South Carolina and help run the tire stores he’d bought a few years earlier. His dad had raised the idea a few times before, but it hadn’t seemed like the right thing to do then.

(We have an idea that part of why we were supposed to go to Pittsburgh was so we could be closer to my sister who lived in Baltimore when she really needed family. In a nutshell, she joined the church on Easter Sunday after one of many visits with us. Nathan lost his job a few months later, I believe. We're still waiting for our toaster oven.)

So we moved in with the in-laws in South Carolina and started paying off our debt. I am grateful for the warning that President Hinckley gave that protected us from having a bad situation become so stressful that our marriage would be at risk, as has happened to so many others in financial trouble.

I am grateful for other prophetic teachings, like the Proclamation to the World on the Family about how to strengthen families and society, and “For the Strength of Youth” which teaches the standards which youth (and adults) should live so that they can be happy and free from addictions and regrets. There really is safety and peace in following prophetic counsel.

I am grateful for President Monson and his counselors and the Quorum on the Twelve Apostles. I love to hear them speak about Jesus Christ and how much he loves us. The spirit never fails to touch my heart with the testimony that the things they teach are true. I'm hoping that one day soon my mom will be at peace about our beliefs, but I'm already happy that we can talk about things without arguing. Thanks for reading!

Check out the other LDS writers participating in the blogfest below!

Amanda Sowards

Angie Lofthouse

Ben Spendlove

Brittany Larsen

Cami Checketts

Charity Bradford

Danyelle Ferguson

Giselle Abreu

Julia Keanini

Julie Coulter Bellon

Kasey Tross

Kayeleen Hamblin

Krista Van Dolzer

Laura Johnston

Melanie Stanford

Rachelle Christensen

Rebecca Belliston

Sierra Gardner

Stephanie Worlton


  1. Your mom sounds like an amazing woman. I appreciate your experiences and testimony shared here! Thank you! It's great to meet other writers through this blogfest! New follower :)

  2. Kelly! Great post. I love how you looked at prhpets and applied it to your life. I can relate to living with in-laws while getting rid of debt, too. That's where we are at right now. Thanks for you post.

  3. This was wonderful. I hope you don't mind, but I plan on reading the part about prophets to my seminary students in the morning. It fits in with things we've been talking about perfectly.

  4. I so appreciate how open you are with your mom and how open she is with you. It's evident that beyond your personal convictions, there's a whole lot of love and respect.

    I'm an un-Mormon (love it!) in Mormon Country -- NM -- and am a Presbyterian pastor's wife. Where we differ about the concept of prophets (and I imagine your mother does, too) is we believe prophecy will only point back to the Old and New Testaments, not add to them. That's (obviously) our big difference, as we see the book of Mormon and the teachings of Joseph Smith as something outside, and sometimes contradictory to, the closed canon.

    I have always appreciated the handful of friends of different faiths I can candidly speak to and ask questions of. Thank you for the glimpse into your world today!

  5. You touched on so many wonderful points :) Isn't it amazing how speaking to our mother's can get us thinking and improving! And I also am so grateful for the tesimony of our prophets!!

  6. Yeah. That's a good story and true principles. I love hearing people's stories, especially people I know. Thanks.

  7. Wonderful post, Kelly. As several others have mentioned, I think it's wonderful that you have the kind of relationship with your mom that allows for candid conversations like this.

    We had a similar experience with President Hinckley's counsel to avoid excessive debt. We bought our house in the summer of 2006--in southern Nevada, I might add--about a year before the market collapsed. During that first year after we bought our house, I was working full-time, and since we didn't need my income to live on, we put half of all the money I made toward the principal on our mortgage.

    A few of our new friends thought we were crazy. "Why not invest the money?" they asked. "Your house is only going to appreciate, so why not put the extra money into an investment that will earn more than the interest on your mortgage costs?"

    But we knew that the prophet had counseled us to get out of debt as quickly as possible, so we kept putting the money toward our principal. A year later, the bottom fell out from under us, and now instead of being $90,000 underwater, we're only $70,000 (which still doesn't sound all that great, but hey, every little bit helps:) ).

  8. Lo- nice to meet you and I enjoyed reading your post as well:) Mymom is amazing. I wish I'd always appreciated her as much as I do right now!

    Kayeleen- It took us a couple of years, and it's not an easy thing, but besides getting out of debt, my relationships with them are much closer than they ever would have been, and that's a good thing;) I miss the way my MIL helped me get the kids to school on time, that's for sure!

    Charity- share away! Thanks for inflating my head a little;)

    Caroline- I'm very pleased (relieved?)with how openly my mom and I can talk about things now, but it's been very hard won. There have been plenty of misunderstanding and hurt feelings on both sides in the 14 years since I was baptised into the LDS church. The bottom line is that we both love each other and God. To focus on differences instead would be really sad, although we do talk about those differences from time to time, obviously. My third baby is turning 8 this summer and will be baptised, and most of our family will come (driving 8-9 for my side) to support him. I appreciate that they are willing to do that, because there are some huge differences in what we believe. Thanks for the un-Mormon perspective!

    Julie- Mothers are great for that! Thanks for commenting!

    Ben- Thanks for the blog love:) I enjoyed your post as well, but you know that from my comment:)

    Krista- 70k is better than 90! I believe it. More important is knowing that you did what you could. Thanks for adding your experiences. It's such a good feeling to know you're making progress, even if the goal seems so far away. Speaking of which, I need to get some typing done!

  9. Thank you, Kelly, for sharing such a heartfelt and personal post. I feel extremely blessed to be able to "follow the prophet." Love President Monson!

  10. I really appreciate this post- it was long but good! I recently read a post by an lds blogger who said concerning modern-day prophets, "God has not logged off." I loved that, and I think that's really what our church teaches, and the beauty of modern revelation- God is still just as invested in us in our day as he was in ancient times, even more so, I think, because we are in such great need of His guidance.

    So glad I found you with the blogfest, and if you haven't stopped by Mormon Mommy Writers yet (www.mormonmommywriters.blogspot.com) please do! We love to have more ladies with such strong values and such an eloquent way of expressing them! :-)

  11. Thanks for the great post! I am so thankful to know we have a prophet.

  12. I'm a Christian and I ditto what Caroline so eloquently said. Christians are not generally against prophets-- I believe prophecy is a spiritual gift we can have today-- it's simply that we believe all prophecy must be consistent with the Bible. It is really good that you and your mom can communicate so openly, though. It's always good to talk about these important subjects! :)

  13. Great post. It's comforting to me to know we have a prophet who leads us and knows what we need when sometimes we don't.

  14. Thanks for all the comments, Cami, Casey, Angie, Amy and Melanie!

    And Amy- that's interesting. My mom seems to feel that the gifts of the spirit are still around but that prophecy is not needed because whatever we needed to know about the last days has already been prophesied in the Bible. And I agree that prophecy must be consistent with the Bible. But there are also times when specific directions are needed. For instance, Abraham was commanded to sacrifice Isaac, yet Moses was taught "Thou shalt not kill." I'm not saying that the ten commandments are ambiguous, rather that we can't presume that because we have so much of God's words in the Bible that we have all of his words. I believe the Bible is true, that it is a history of God's dealings with his people. I just believe he has continued to lead, so the continued history of his leadership is also holy writ. This is why Mormons are urged to keep journals! The answers to our own personal prayers are no less holy than what happened to individuals in 1000 BC. That's my take on it:) Thanks so much for the comment Amy, and I hope that response wasn't too long:) I'd love to hear more of your thoughts on this topic.